So it’s been a few months since the presidential election. I was reminded of the event when the BYU Magazine appeared in my place of leisurely reading in my home (i.e. the bathroom) last week with Mitt on the cover. I didn’t realize that he and I are both alumni of the Y.
You can read it here.
For some, the defeat of Mitt Romney was a trial of their testimony of the LDS Church. How could he lose? Isn’t he a favored son, voted most likely to succeed? I visited my sister on Election Day and she was so worried about the outcome that she practically had an ulcer. Her baby girl, however, played contentedly, oblivious to all the stress that was defining our nation in one day.
I admit it, I was disappointed he didn’t win, even though I was pretty sure he wouldn’t and I didn’t vote for him. Many conservatives felt gloomy for a long time afterwards, depressed that we as a people didn’t choose the better candidate. But I have to wonder if the whole election wasn’t rigged. Maybe most of the people did choose him. Really, how can we know for sure?
Then my friend emailed a link to a speech by Joel Skousen that sheds new light on the whole event. Joel gave this speech the Friday before the election. He basically predicts that Mitt will not win, and he says it’s a good thing. You will have to listen to find out why he says that, but it sounds reasonable to me.
Here are some quotes I got from my sister’s sister-in-law which seem especially applicable during this time:
Sometimes people become so concerned about what has happened to our
> >> country
> >> that they feel there is no hope for America . Here is a wonderful quote
> >> from
> >> President Harold B. Lee affirming that America will not fall. It is
> >> still
> >> the promised land of the Book of Mormon, the “choice land” that Moroni
> >> speaks of.
> >> http://www.latterdayconservative.com/quotes/harold-b-lee
> >> http://candacesalima.blogspot.com/2009/08/this-nation-shall-not-fail.html
> >> Harold B. Lee’s Quote on America
> >> “Men may fail in this country, earthquakes may come, seas may heave
> >> beyond
> >> their bounds, there may be great drought, disaster, and hardship, but
> >> this
> >> nation, founded on principles laid down by men whom God raised up, will
> >> never fail. This is the cradle of humanity, where life on this earth
> >> began
> >> in the Garden of Eden. This is the place of the new Jerusalem. This is
> >> the
> >> place that the Lord said is favored above all other nations in all the
> >> world. This is the place where the Savior will come to His temple. This
> >> is
> >> the favored land in all the world. Yes, I repeat, men may fail, but this
> >> nation won’t fail. I have faith in America ; you and I must have faith in
> >> America , if we understand the teachings of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
> >> We
> >> are living in a day when we must pay heed to these challenges.
> >> I plead with you not to preach pessimism. Preach that this is the
> >> greatest
> >> country in all the world. This is the favored land. This is the land of
> >> our forefathers. It is the nation that will stand despite whatever
> >> trials
> >> or crises it may yet have to pass through.” (Ye Are the Light of the
> >> World,
> >> 350-51)
> >> Mark A Peterson, former member of the Quorum of Twelve Apostles
> >> http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6145
> >> “What is that destiny? You will be surprised when I say this, but it is
> >> nevertheless true. The destiny of the United States of America is to play
> >> an
> >> important part in helping to prepare for the second coming of Christ. It
> >> is
> >> that important. That is the reason the United States was set up.
> >> The preparation for the second coming of Christ depended largely on the
> >> restoration of the gospel. There could not be a restoration of the gospel
> >> without freedom. God provided this country as the base of his operations
> >> in
> >> these, the last days, a place where there would be freedom, where he
> >> could
> >> restore his gospel. Therefore, the United States was given and is yet to
> >> be
> >> given a great mission in respect to the second coming of the Lord Jesus
> >> Christ…
> >> The restored gospel is already going from this land to all other free
> >> nations. It does so under the protection of the United States , and we who
> >> travel do so on American passports. Eventually America will be the center
> >> of
> >> the final gathering of God’s people as the Millennium approaches, and our
> >> flag will fly right on into that blessed time.”
> >> Brigham Young said:
> >> “When the day comes in which the Kingdom of God will bear rule, the flag
> >> of
> >> the United States will proudly flutter unsullied on the flag staff of
> >> liberty and equal rights, without a spot to sully its fair surface; the
> >> glorious flag our fathers have bequeathed to us will then be unfurled to
> >> the
> >> breeze by those who have power to hoist it aloft and defend its
> >> sanctity.”
> >> [Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 360]
> >> So America will not fall. It will have to go through a cleansing,
> >> however,
> >> so that wickedness may be abolished. But the nation as such will not
> >> fall.
> >> President Harold B. Lee also said:
> >> “The Constitution will stand even if it must be saved by the elders of
> >> this
> >> Church. This nation, founded on the principles laid down by men whom God
> >> raised up, will never fail. I have faith in America, and you and I must
> >> have faith in America if we understand the teachings of the gospel of the
> >> Lord Jesus Christ.” [ Deseret News, 27 October 1973]
> >> Then President Joseph F. Smith, one of the great, inspired prophets of
> >> latter-days, said this about the United States :
> >> This great American nation the Almighty raised up by the power of his
> >> omnipotent hand, that it might be possible in the latter days for the
> >> kingdom of God to be established in the earth. . . . His hand has been
> >> over
> >> this nation, and it is his purpose and design to enlarge it–make it
> >> glorious above all others, and to give it dominion, and power over the
> >> earth, to the end that those who are kept in bondage and serfdom may be
> >> brought to the enjoyment of the fullest freedom and liberty of conscience
> >> possible for intelligent men to exercise in the earth. [Gospel Doctrine,
> >> p.
> >> 409]
In the talk on mp3 by Joel, he says that America will fall, but that society will be rebuilt again. But these LDS Church authorities quoted above are saying that America will not fall. My husband has maintained for a long time that he knew of no scripture or prophecy that said the Stars and Stripes will reign forever over this land. I will have to show him these quotes and see what he says.
Maybe the way to reconcile it is to say that America, meaning the America that was based on the Founding Father’s principles (the Hebrew way of limited government and justice for all), will be rebuilt. It’s already fallen most of the way, just read the Uncle Eric books by Richard Maybury here to learn all how America has left its Hebrew way to become a Roman system of government. I used to think the term “Roman” was complimentary but after reading Maybury’s books i realize it’s not. Didn’t the Romans give us great things like beautiful architecture and art? Yes, but the Roman way is a belief that government can solve everything. No thank you. I want the government out of my business. So, yes, America will fall/is falling in that way but I believe that it will be rebuilt upon the Hebrew model of limited government, as outlined in the Bible. So the Roman way will fail, because of all the things Joel says, including its fiat money and debt. But the Hebrew model of America will ultimately not fail because it will be restored.
I’d love for any of you to listen to Joel’s talk and tell me what you think about how to reconcile it with what these prophecies say. Please comment below if so inclined.
What do you think?